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Black Friday Deals That Don’t Compromise Your Values

With Black Friday just a week away, it’s almost officially Christmas shopping season.

Here at 2ndVote, we want to help you shop for your loved ones by finding the best deals possible, but we also want to encourage you to shop with your values in mind.

Along with our newly released Christmas Shopping Guide, we’ve compiled a list of some of the best Black Friday deals around to help you find the perfect gifts at rare prices. Not only are you getting great deals, but you can keep your mind at ease knowing that your hard-earned dollars won’t be funding a liberal agenda that opposes your beliefs and values.

Top Black Friday Deals For Conservatives

All of the following companies have a current score of at least a 3 (Neutral) in our 2ndVote Database:

Patriot Mobile (5 – Conservative)

From Black Friday through midnight on Cyber Monday, get a brand new Motorola E4 for one penny a month.

Bass Pro Shops (5 – Conservative)

5 days of sales starting on November 25th, and a special 6-hour sale on Black Friday from 5-11am.

ACE Hardware (4 – Lean Conservative)

Black Friday sale is currently underway and will last until November 26th.

Overstock.com (4 – Lean Conservative)

Up to 70% off and free shipping for certain items.

Tractor Supply Co. (3.1 – Lean Conservative)

Numerous days of sales running from November 21-25.

Bed Bath & Beyond (3 – Neutral)

In-store customers will receive a 20% off entire purchase coupon between 6am – Noon.

Kay Jewelers (3 – Neutral)

Kay Jewelers is offering special Black Friday deals on a variety of their jewelry.

Academy Sports & Outdoors (3 – Neutral)

Running a variety of sales on the morning of Black Friday starting at 5am – till supplies last. 

Petco (3 – Neutral)

Up to 50% off select items November 23-24 only. 

Aeropostale (3 – Neutral)

60% to 70% off every item online or in the store on Black Friday. 

Cost Plus World Market (3 – Neutral)

40% off all furniture with promo code FURNDEAL. 

We encourage you to check out these stores on Black Friday and throughout the Christmas shopping season! To view our entire score database, click here.

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  • Jane

    So glad to have this list from you!! Thank you! My Christmas shopping may cost a bit more, but I’m supporting life and that’s the most important thing in the world. If a baby can’t even be assured of being born, what else matters?

    • Natureboi

      If a baby can’t even be assured of being born, what else matters?

      Why is banning abortion important to you?

      • Jane

        “Natureboi” if your pen name indicates “nature”, I would assume you know that a developing human being in the womb is the most natural thing in the world. Humans are eliminating themselves through murdering the most innocent of all – murder is the “politically incorrect” term, but the truth is the truth whether you believe it or not.

        • Natureboi

          I understand all that.
          My question is why is it so important to you?

          • Jane

            Because they are human beings just trying to be born. Overpopulation is a myth. Dogs and trees have more protective rights than humans do. It’s murder and I’m against murdering of any human being no matter what stage of life he/she is at.

          • Natureboi

            I understand that as well.

            What I don’t understand, is why it so important to you personally?

          • Out of Bubble Gum

            Don’t be a trollish ass, you dumb shit for brains.

          • Natureboi

            It’s a simple question:
            How do you personally benefit from forcing women to bear unwanted children?

          • Shadow

            Forcing? She knows full well where babies come from and it she doesn’t what one she should get fixed or at least keep her legs crossed. Just maybe the child would get their brains from the father, that would be a benefit to all.

          • Natureboi

            she should get fixed or at least keep her legs crossed.

            The woman is the only one who should have any authority in making any decision regarding her pregnancy. It is her body that is at risk – no one else’s. She is the one with the heavy investment. She is the one who can weigh the pros and cons of bringing a life into the world. It is never an easy choice. There are factors involving her capability to provide for a life, and only she can determine what these are, and evaluate her readiness to do so.

            The concept of her making the choice by choosing to have sex in the first place is irrelevant.

            To do otherwise is to reduce her entire existence into being nothing but a birthing machine.

          • DtownMytown

            You are correct about the woman’s body being at risk, but from abortion as it causes more harm to a woman than delivering a baby, and not just physical harm but mental as well.

          • Natureboi

            it causes more harm to a woman than delivering a baby, and not just physical harm but mental as well.

            And now you suddenly care about the woman’s well-being?
            Really???

            Couldn’t tell before.

          • DtownMytown

            I have 5 daughter so why would I not care? Only a non-Christian like you would make the stamens you have made. As Christian I care about all people. Can you honestly state the same thing?

          • Natureboi

            As Christian I care about all people.

            Really.
            Are you for or against same-sex marriage?
            Are you for or against affordable health care?
            Are you for or against asylum seekers?
            Did you vote for Trump? Why?

          • Barry

            Why is it that you continually avoid the meaning, sir?
            To care about all people doesn’t mean to agree with what they do.

          • Natureboi

            Is denying same-sex marriage disagreeing” or is it mean spirited behavior directed at a selected group?

          • Barry

            A life has already been brought into the world upon conception. Birth is just the stage of life when a child can breathe on its own.

          • Natureboi

            A life has already been brought into the world upon conception. Birth is just the stage of life when a child can breathe on its own.

            Why is the offspring of a total stranger so important to you?

          • Barry

            Because it’s not important to the woman killing it. Because it bothers me that people are disgusted by the inhumane treatment of animals, but in different toward the scalding and dismemberment of a human being before it’s born. Because it troubles me that the unborn child has no choice in the matter, and it’s completely at the mercy of the person bearing it. Because an innocent unborn child is receiving absolutely no mercy for not having done anything wrong. Because I get angry when anyone is accosted without cause.

          • Natureboi

            How do you personally benefit from more babies being born?

            What “caring” are you willing to provide for this child after it is born?

          • Barry

            It is not a question of my benefit. I would get no benefit from saving your life from thugs, either. Just the same, I would be inclined to do it.
            Why do you think that someone else other than the parents should be responsible for the child?

          • Natureboi

            >blockquote>It is not a question of my benefit.

            Your answer is “I don’t benefit.” I knew that.

            Why do you think that someone else other than the parents should be responsible for the child?

            Your answer is: “My caring stops immediately after birth regardless of the child’s living conditions.” I knew that.

            Conclusion: You are not “pro-life.” You are pro-birth.

          • Barry

            You ask the wrong questions, and you change answers to suit yourself. You may be beyond help, friend.

          • Natureboi

            You ask the wrong questions, and you change answers to suit yourself.

            No, sir.
            Wrong.
            I just call the phonies as I see them.

          • Barry

            I did not judge you. And you have no reason to judge me. I only question your reasoning.

            Using your reasoning, I would expect that if you are ever in a life or death situation, that you would advise your rescuers not to save you unless there is benefit for them and unless they are willing to be responsible for your care.

          • Natureboi

            Using your reasoning, I would expect that if you are ever in a life or death situation, that you would advise your rescuers not to save you unless there is benefit for them and unless they are willing to be responsible for your care.

            Rescuers benefit by being paid to do their jobs. However, they do not create dependents.
            You wish to create dependents that most mothers are incapable of supporting.

            If you are unwilling to take responsibility for children after they are born, don’t presume to take responsibility before they are born.

          • Barry

            I certainly do take responsibility for my children from the time they are conceived until the time they are of age to leave home. It is not unreasonable to think that all potential parents should be responsible and accountable. If parents are unable to support the children they conceive, why do they do so?
            You place the burden on the wrong people.

            Since it would take time for professional rescuers to reach you if your life were in immediate danger, the people who could save your life would probably have no impetus whatsoever to do so; especially since they would be putting themselves in danger, also. Of course, you would not want them to do that and would tell them so.
            And, since you mentioned that rescuers are paid to rescue you, it should be no surprise to you that there are people paid to take care of children born to irresponsible parents.

          • Natureboi

            I certainly do take responsibility for my children

            But not those dependents you demand to be born to unwilling and unqualified single women.you

          • Barry

            So, if your life we’re in danger and I were the only one available to help you, then I should ignore your pleas for help since I would receive no benefit from doing so. Is that correct?

          • Natureboi

            So, if your life we’re in danger and I were the only one available to help you, then I should ignore your pleas for help since I would receive no benefit from doing so. Is that correct?

            You are free to make whatever choices that you wish, beneficial or not.
            I would not petition the government to take that freedom away from you.

          • Barry

            But at least you wouldn’t think it would be wrong of me not to attempt to rescue you, would you? That is to say, you would not take it personally, would you?

          • Natureboi

            But at least you wouldn’t think it would be wrong of me not to attempt to rescue you, would you? That is to say, you would not take it personally, would you?

            Unless you are a trained EMT or Firefighter under government employ, you are not required to do a damn thing.

            And I would never infringe upon your rights or autonomy to force you to do so against your free will.

          • Barry

            Thank you. I will do my best to remind you of that if the situation ever arises and you call from my for help.

          • Natureboi

            (I detect a bit of emotion from you. I hope you are not taking this too personally.)

            Not at all.
            I am a volunteer firefighter and have been for years.

            I have been asked to be an EMT, but I cannot perform that duty despite the fact I have participated in many rescues.

            Nobody forces me to rescue the lives of others. I do it voluntarily.
            There is a difference between wanting to preserve life and being forced to do so against one’s free will.

            What you are proposing is forcing women to preserve lives they do not wish to preserve against their free will.

          • Barry

            But why do you WANT to preserve life? What benefit do YOU gain?

          • Natureboi

            But why do you WANT to preserve life? What benefit do YOU gain?

            There’s a difference between saving someone’s house, business or land from being destroyed and forcing a woman and her sex partner at the time to become parents.

          • Barry

            That didn’t answer my question.

          • Natureboi

            That didn’t answer my question.

            I wish to preserve life because I would want the same done for me.
            However, I do not wish to negatively impact someone’s life for minimally the next 18 years by forcing them to create life against their free will.

            You insist on forcing others create life against their free will. That’s not preservation of an existing life.
            There’s a difference between creating and preserving.

            I do not wish to impose my religious convictions upon others against their free will.
            YOU DO.

          • Barry

            “I wish to preserve life because I would want the same done for me. Empathy is my reason.”

            I will not get into discussions with you about homosexuality or other behaviors contrary to our existence. Enough time has been spent in vain discussions of that nature and by better people than me.
            I would like to commend you, though, on your reasons for what you do as a volunteer firefighter, as quoted above. Your words are almost identical to those in the Old Testament and of the words of the Lord Jesus, Himself.
            I normally do not spend this much time conversing digitally with agnostics or atheists or even Christians, so-called, who have contrary Doctrine. But as I told Norm, I try to capture how atheists and agnostics think. I did so with a former associate who was also atheistic.
            A lot of years ago, I was contracted by our local fire department to help them refine their strategic plan. The deep appreciation I gained from listening to their issues cannot be measured. Therefore I congratulate you for what you do.
            I do wish you well, and that somehow God will bring you face-to-face with yourself to help you see your need of the only Savior he has provided for this world. I’ll trouble you no more. In the meantime, please be careful.
            Goodbye.

          • Natureboi

            I will not get into discussions with you about homosexuality or other behaviors contrary to our existence.

            Yeah, it’s all about procreation with you and nothing more. Screw freedom and free will, you’re damned if you don’t make babies. I get it with religion.

            Enough time has been spent in vain discussions of that nature and by better people than me.

            An honest answer to my question would be extremely pertinent and crucial in our discussion, as it pertains to forcing others to abide by our wishes.
            I believe you detected that and as a result you chose to escape.
            That is cowardly, dishonest and disingenuous.

            I see that you have met your match despite your intentions to “win me over to Christ.”

            I also clearly see that I have backed you into a logic dichotomy from which you have chosen to cower and run from.

            You are not my first rodeo.

            Thank you for your time and effort.
            It has been a pleasure.

          • skies

            Because the Law which states “Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder” still applies and is valued by people who have morals. It is like saying.. if you saw a person with a gun shooting random people.. why do you care? Or people being slaughtered as they run from tanks shooting at them.. why do you care? You know.. it’s called compassion, morals, ethical human behavior – this is normal to people who have a conscience. But psychopaths and sociopaths don’t have one and so have to ask…

          • Natureboi

            Why did you vote for Trump?

          • Barry

            Why did you vote for Hillary?

          • Natureboi

            This question was not asked of you.

          • Natureboi

            Why did you vote for Hillary?

            To ensure freedoms for all Americans.
            Why did you vote for Trump?

          • Barry

            Why is that important to you?

          • Natureboi

            How are their freedoms going to benefit you?

            I love my LGBT family members and LGBT friends.
            Their freedoms and happiness benefits them.
            Their happiness and well being therefore is beneficial for all of us.

            Why did you vote for Trump?

          • Natureboi

            Because the Law which states “Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder”

            Where does that law come from, the Old Testament, or the New Testament?

          • Barry

            The first mention of that law is in Exodus 20:13. In the New testament, Matthew 19:18.

          • Natureboi

            The first mention of that law is in Exodus 20:13. In the New testament, Matthew 19:18.

            From a “God” who himself murdered children, babies and unborn fetuses.
            From a “God” who ordered pregnant women’s uteruses to be slashed open.
            From a “God” who gave a specific recipe to concoct an abortion potion.

            You are just too funny.

          • Barry

            I gave you book chapter and verse. Please do the same with your reply.

          • Natureboi

            I gave you book chapter and verse. Please do the same with your reply.

            Are you denying that what I mentioned above is not God’s word?

            Are you asking me to read your bible for you?

          • Barry

            You are the one making the claim. Provide the references.

          • Natureboi

            You are the one making the claim. Provide the references.

            Gladly.
            Please answer my question first:
            Are you denying that what I mentioned above is not God’s word?

          • Barry

            Sir, I’m still waiting for you to give me book, chapter, and verses for your claims.

          • Natureboi

            Sir, I’m still waiting for you to give me book, chapter, and verses for your claims.

            Are you denying that God murdered children, babies and pregnant women?

          • John Steel

            Happy Hanukka

          • Darren

            Because we are all children of God, and all deserve protection under God’s and kman’s laws. And you can’t yourself dictate what we feel is a valid point, I understand that in some situations “rape or similar offenses” the woman had her choice taken from her, but this is the exception and even then is the child guilty for the sins of the father? Giving anybody this choice lowers us to nothing more than a consumers choice. All this does is allows a woman to make two stupid choices . And you can’t say that the woman is solely responsible for the child, because the man who fathered it is and rightfully so morally and legally responsible for the upbringing of this child, and if he doesn’t pay then he is dragged into court and ordered to pay, can have his paycheck forfeited and basically be sued! Once again a man who does not see to at least the financial raising is a scoundrel but what it also says is that the father does have skin in the game yet he is often denied even the basic rights of fatherhood not to mention even a say in the life of the innocent child. I am a child of God and that means that humanity is all our business. And just a small inquirery for you….. Why do you seek out the answers to our beliefs, what are they to you?

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            So, in essence, what your saying is she is the only one who can commit murder. Gotcha.

          • Natureboi

            A fetus is not a life until it has a fully developed cerebral cortex, sentience and is viable outside the womb.
            Until then, it is part of the woman’s body.

            You might as well call removing a tumor “murder,” as it too is a living mass.

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            Except for that “living mass” you’re talking about doesn’t have a heartbeat. Major difference.

          • Natureboi

            Major difference.

            The pregnancy of a woman you will never meet is none of your business.

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            It is if I’m expected to pay for her murdering that baby via my taxes.

          • Natureboi

            It is if I’m expected to pay for her murdering that baby via my taxes.

            They don’t.
            Do some fact checking before you make false assertions.
            Look up Hyde Amendment.

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            So you’re telling me that taxes don’t pay for abortions? BS! That’s the only service, other than birth control, that Planned Butcherhood provides. All the other “services” the supposedly “provide” are farmed out to other facilities. This comes right from the mouth of a woman I know that used to work there.

          • Natureboi

            So you’re telling me that taxes don’t pay for abortions?

            You didn’t fact check.
            Please look up the Hyde Ammendment.

            Can I opt out of paying taxes that support religion?
            Or can should we just rid of religion?

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            Big difference between religion and murder. Religion is protected by the 1st Amendment. I forget which amendment protects murder. Oh, wait – there isn’t one because murder is a crime. Oh, and anyone who believes that our unconstitutionally stolen tax money for baby killers doesn’t go for that is really drinking the kool-aid. Our tax monies should not go to any private entity.

          • Natureboi

            Our tax monies should not go to any private entity.

            Excellent.

            Then we can discard the Faith Based Initiative and stop ALL tax subsidiaries that support religion and religious organizations.

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            Apparently you are having a real hard time distinguishing between a private entity and a church. I suggest you go enlighten yourself a little bit. And it might help to shed some of that radical liberalism. That always hurts.

          • Natureboi

            Apparently you are having a real hard time distinguishing between a private entity and a church

            All churches and religious organizations are private entities.

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            Yes, you are right. I misworded my statement. A church is a tax exempt organization and Planned Butcherhood is a for-profit business. Tax dollars should not support for-profit entities.

          • Natureboi

            BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ 6 hours ago
            Yes, you are right. I misworded my statement. A church is a tax exempt organization and Planned Butcherhood is a for-profit business. Tax dollars should not support for-profit entities.

            Tax dollars therefore should NOT support any religious entities.

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            Tax dollars do not support religious entities. They are tax exempt, however.

          • Natureboi

            Tax dollars do not support religious entities.

            Are you asserting that religious organizations do not receive tax-funded subsidiaries?

          • Barry

            By your reasoning then, atheist or humanist organizations are private entities, also, since their own Humanist Manifesto declares them to be a religion.

          • Natureboi

            By your reasoning then, atheist or humanist organizations are private entities, also, since their own Humanist Manifesto declares them to be a religion.

            Atheists and humanists are not organizations. They are individual people with lack of religious beliefs. Being an atheist or a humanist is not religious in the last bit, they are in fact the exact opposite.
            Organized religions are private entities.

          • Barry

            You are wrong, sir.
            You appear to be intentionally misguiding your audience. Atheists / humanists have their own societies and organizations. Furthermore they are faith-based, as the Humanist Manifesto declares atheism as a religion. It takes a great deal of faith to believe what you believe.

          • Natureboi

            Therefore I am protected by the first Ammendment.

          • Barry

            Yes, that is correct! Thank you.

          • Natureboi

            Yes, that is correct! Thank you.

            How interesting.
            A Christian supporting Atheists/Atheism as a protected class.

            That’s a first.

          • Natureboi

            murder is a crime.

            Why then aren’t 60,000,000 million women and their abortion providers behind bars?

          • Barry

            That should be! There is no justice for those who cannot speak for themselves.

          • Natureboi

            How does this benefit you personally?

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            Simple. Our Supreme Court thinks they can make laws. Judicial activism at its finest.

          • Natureboi

            Is that why you voted for a moron to run our country?
            To be able to control the lives of people you will never meet?

            Do you also want the Obergefell ruling reversed?
            So you can take control of the lives of gay people?

            And how does doing this all benefit you specifically?

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            Sorry, the real moron/traitor/racist was in office for the previous eight years. I didn’t vote for Trump, but I most certainly didn’t vote for the traitor Hillary. I don’t wish to control anyone’s life other than my own. I simply don’t believe children should be murdered before they have a chance to live. Any yes, they are kids. Their heart starts beating at 3 weeks. Clumps of cells don’t do that.

          • Natureboi

            And same-sex marriage?
            Are you for or against it?

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            There’s no such thing as same-sex marriage. According to scripture, marriage is between one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination in God’s eyes. Anyone participating is on a path to hell.

          • Natureboi

            There’s no such thing as same-sex marriage. According to scripture, marriage is between one man and one woman. Anything else is an abomination in God’s eyes. Anyone participating is on a path to hell.

            So you claim marriage is based on a God.
            I have 2 question:
            1) Why isn’t religion mandatory in getting a marriage license in all 50 States?
            2) How do I know there’s such thing as a God?

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            So, if you don’t believe in God, that means you believe in some sort of ‘big bang’ theory, which is tantamount to believing you can create something from nothing. Hey, that works. I’d rather believe in God and find out I’m right than not believe in God and find out I’m wrong.

          • Natureboi

            So, if you don’t believe in God, that means you believe in some sort of ‘big bang’ theory, which is tantamount to believing you can create something from nothing

            Actually, that is an incorrect presumption.
            Please don’t be presumptuous. That is manipulative.

            I don’t know, I’m not afraid to admit I that don’t know, and I don’t presume to have the answer.

            But how interesting it is that you attempt to mock those you presume believe that all that exists “came out of nothing,” while simultaneously professing that a God you have chosen out of many to believe in did just that.

            I’d rather believe in God and find out I’m right than not believe in God and find out I’m wrong.

            How can you know you have chosen the correct God out of thousands known to society?

          • Barry

            To my knowledge, there are no taxes that support religion. Yes, valid Churches receive tax benefits, but are not beneficiaries of taxes. So do humanist or atheist organizations. Humanist Manifesto 1 declares that atheism is in fact a religion. It has also been declared a religion in court cases. Please look it up.

          • Natureboi

            To my knowledge, there are no taxes that support religion.

            https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/government/fbci/president-initiative.html

          • Barry

            You should try reading the material that you reference.
            That article is an opinion piece. It is not a declaration of enforcement or even an acknowledgement of enforcement.
            And, no, the Hyde amendment did not prevent the Congress from supporting planned Parenthood to the tune of a half billion dollars.

            Question: Are you some kind of automaton? You’re recording seems to be stuck on “fallacy.”

          • Natureboi
          • Barry

            The Hyde amendment did not prevent budgeting a half billion dollars to planned Parenthood. So yes, our tax dollars are being used to support the abortion industry.

          • Natureboi

            Wrong.
            Not abortions.
            You are manipulative.

          • Barry

            If it’s none of my business, why is it my responsibility?

          • Natureboi

            It is neither.

          • Barry

            And who provided you this definition of life, and what is their qualifications to make such a decision as to when life begins? Please provide his name, his authority, and his quote. Let’s get him or her in on this discussion.
            Or did you just make this up on your own?

          • Natureboi

            Please provide proof God exists.

          • Barry

            Please stop avoiding the question. What or who is your authority for making the statement you did about when life begins?

          • Natureboi

            What or who is your authority for making the statement you did about when life begins?

            There is no “authority” that I can demonstrate.
            I am only going by the mere fact that a fetus’ life is unsustainable outside the womb. Its ability to live is totally and directly dependent on the mother completing the gestative process.

            Therefore, the Mother is the only demonstrable “authority.”

          • Barry

            A fetus is simply the earliest stage of human growth. According to you logic, then, and adolescent is not a life either, nor is an adult.

          • Natureboi

            According to you logic, then, and adolescent is not a life either, nor is an adult.

            Nice English.
            Finish high school, did you?

          • Barry

            Stop evading the issue. Since being a fetus is the first stage of human growth, which you claim is not life, why shouldn’t the other stages of human growth be non-life as well? Like adolescence or adult?
            And why, if the fetus is nothing more than a tumor, do they have to kill it before they extract it?

          • Natureboi

            why shouldn’t the other stages of human growth be non-life as well?

            Simple.
            A fetus is not a viable life form until it is viable outside of the womb.
            Adolescents and adults are.
            Until born, a fetus is part of another person.

            You don’t get to dictate how total strangers are to run their lives based on the imaginary “God” you have been brainwashed to believe in when you were still young enough to believe in Santa Claus.

          • Barry

            If a fetus is part of another person, why does it have an umbilical?

          • Natureboi

            If a fetus is part of another person, why does it have an umbilical?

            Excellent question.
            Why do fetuses have umbilical cords?

          • DtownMytown

            Maybe the woman should make the correct choice BEFORE getting pregnant. There are so many low cost of birth control that abortion should only be an option for rape or risk of life. Not to mention that Planned Parenthood was founded with eugenics in mind. ask yourself why are the abortion centers located in inner city minority neighborhoods but not upscale centers like Beverly Hills? And one is forcing anyone to keep their child as there are plenty of options like adoption and including make the correct choice so you do not get pregnant. And the latter is on the man as well as the woman, but she needs to take the lead as she is the one that can get pregnant.

          • Natureboi

            Maybe the woman should make the correct choice BEFORE getting pregnant.

            Irrelevant and selfish as to who is in the best position to make a choice to continue with or terminate a pregnancy.
            The one who is best suited to make that decision is not some bible-thumping total stranger.
            It is the one who is at the center of the decision.

          • DtownMytown

            How is it irrelevant? The woman, and her partner, make an unwise choice to have unprotected sex resulting in pregnancy. As you said the woman is in the best position to make the choice, but not for what you state, but the choice NOT to get pregnant.
            And my statement has nothing to do with being a bible thumper as you claim but for the overall well being of the woman and society as a whole. Something that you do , and would not, understand.
            Make proper choices and reaction to your action does not need to be made because you thought through your action first and the consequences of said action. Apparently that is to hard for you to fathom. That or you were in the same situation and your actions resulted in what you call unintended pregnancy and pressured the woman to get an abortion as you are not a responsible adult who takes care of his responsibilities.

          • Natureboi

            Hoo boy.
            So much wrong with your post, where do I begin.

            How is it irrelevant? The woman, and her partner, make an unwise choice to have unprotected sex resulting in pregnancy. As you said the woman is in the best position to make the choice, but not for what you state, but the choice NOT to get pregnant.

            A woman does not automatically forfeit her right to choice just because she has sex.

            And my statement has nothing to do with being a bible thumper

            You admit you are a Christian. That’s all I need to presume your position on abortion is influenced by religion.
            Are you for or against same-sex marriage?

            but for the overall well being of the woman

            Nonsense. Forcing a man and woman to alter the next 18 years of her their lives and destroy their incomes and freedoms against their free will is NOT “caring for the well-being” of the woman and her sex partner who will be part of this as well. What you are doing is selfish and you have reduced her to nothing but a birth machine and her sex partner at the time. Don’t forget, there are TWO lives you will affect by banning abortion.

            Also, you do not guarantee the child you force her to bear will ever have or even know a father. Is this in keeping with you “well-being” argument for the child?
            Are you for or against same-sex marriage?
            Why?

            but for the overall well being of society as a whole

            Nonsense. Overpopulation strains resources, raises cost, increases stress and crime and destroys the environment. Plus you are potentially creating a population of children who will never likely know a father.
            Are you for or against same-sex marriage?
            Why?

            pressured the woman to get an abortion

            Oh My God.
            Utter nonsense.
            Nobody is “pressuring” anyone to do anything. Women are free to decide to terminate their pregnancies or alter the next 18 years of their lives.
            YOU, however, are going beyond “pressuring” women.
            You are forcing women against their free will do comport to your religion.

            Are you for or against same-sex marriage?
            Why?

          • DtownMytown

            “A woman does not automatically forfeit her right to choice just because she has sex.”

            Again you prove your lack of reading comprehension skills.

            “You admit you are a Christian. That’s all I need to presume your position on abortion is influenced by religion.
            Are you for or against same-sex marriage?
            Why?”

            No you assume not presume as my faith does not from my personal believes as there is lot about my church I disagree with. I used to be pro abortion until I decided to educate myself on the subject. I suggest you do the same instead o parroting your party’s line.

            And to answer you gay marriage ? No as marriage is a religious ceremony, and should be decided by each faith to make the decision about marriage, not the courts.

            “Nonsense. Forcing a man and woman to alter the next 18 years of their lives and destroy their incomes and freedoms against their free will is NOT “caring for the well-being” of the woman and her sex partner at the time who will be part of this as well.”

            Again you prove your lack of comprehension skills on what I posted not in just the above post but my other ones as well No one is forcing the woman (and not the man will not be present as 70% of births are to single women without a father present) So maybe men like you need to think with the head on your shoulders instead of the one in your pants before making a life altering decision.

            “Overpopulation strains resources, raises cost, increases stress and crime and destroys the environment.”

            Ah yes another left wing talking point which is also false as no one is suffering from over population except maybe New Jersey. Try posting facts instead of innuendo.

            “You are forcing women against their free will to comport to your religion..”
            Has nothing to do with my religion but a moral choice not to murder children who btw were not given the choice to end their life or to be conceived because to lazy people decided not to use birth control or just abstain.

          • Natureboi

            Why are you against same-sex marriage?

          • DtownMytown

            I already explained, and it is not my problem that you have a reading comprehension problem. Which all of your replies to me detail. You just do not understand nor get it.

          • Natureboi

            I already explained,

            I must have missed it.
            Sorry.
            Please repeat it.

          • DtownMytown

            Because each faith sets the rules. The 1st amendment is clear on religious freedoms. Now if same sex people wish to suffer the aggravation of marriage let them do so in a civil union. No one is blocking them from that, but if their chosen faith does not allow same sex marriage maybe they should find one that does support their beliefs instead of telling everyone of faith that we must change to suit their lifestyle.

          • Natureboi

            Now if same sex people wish to suffer the aggravation of marriage let them do so in a civil union.

            Civil unions don’t bring all the benefits marriage does, plus marriage is more significant emotionally.

            if their chosen faith does not allow same sex marriage

            Not all gay couples are religious. Why should a non-religious person be forced to follow the one specific faith you chose out of thousands?

          • DtownMytown

            “Civil unions don’t bring all the benefits marriage does, plus marriage is more significant emotionally.”

            And what benefits do they lack? In my state before our marriage law was struck down, gay couples, married in a civil union or just cohabitating, received the same protections as traditional married couples.

            “Not all gay couples are religious. Why should a non-religious person be forced to follow the one specific faith you chose out of thousands?”

            There is a reason for that as gays are traditional, but not always, liberals.
            And since the Democratic party is an anti God anti religion party it makes sense for those with the same “values” to be members of the atheist party. You want a church wedding than join a church that allows it, and if you are
            not religious than civil weddings. And if your state does not give the same protections for married couples under a civil union than petition your state to make the needed changes as my state did.

          • Natureboi

            In my state before our marriage law was struck down, gay couples, married in a civil union or just cohabitating, received the same protections as traditional married couples.

            Does that include Social Security transfer benefits?
            Survivor benefits?
            Inheritance benefits?
            Shared family health care plans?
            Child advocacy surrogacy?
            Tax filing?

            NO

            There is no rational reason to prohibit gay couples from marrying.

            Not one.

          • DtownMytown

            Yes to all the above.

          • Natureboi

            Yes to all the above.

            Incorrect.
            NONE of the above is allowed under civil unions.
            None.

          • DtownMytown

            I said MY state. What part do you not understand? Each city and state has their own rules regarding this and my state allowed the same benefits for cohabitating partners as as for married ones, both straight and gay. Try to follow along.

          • Natureboi

            I said MY state.

            Social Security spousal death transfer are federal. No state can transfer Social Security benefits to a surviving spouse.

            Does your states civil rights law automatically allow for child surrogacy advocation by the spouse/partner?

            If you answered no to the above 2, civil unions are not equal to marriage.

            But that’s irrelevant as to whether gays should be allowed the 1138 federal + hundreds of state rights.

            Can you give me a rational reason why gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry?

            Just one?

          • Barry

            Why are you for it?

          • Natureboi

            Why are you for it?

            Not for my self, I have a girlfriend.
            But for my LGBT relatives and friends, why not?

          • Barry

            Why do you have a girlfriend and not a boyfriend?

          • Natureboi

            A woman does not automatically forfeit her right to choice just because she has sex.
            You insist it does.
            Forcing a woman to bear an unwanted child imposes on her and her sex-partner at the time.
            Thus you cannot guarantee the child will be raised by loving caring parents.
            Marriage is not a religious contract.
            It is a secular contract.
            Is religion the only reason you oppose gay marriage?
            You cannot impose your religious beliefs on all of society.

          • Natureboi

            Again you prove your lack of comprehension skills on what I posted not in just the above post but my other ones as well No one is forcing the woman (and not the man will not be present as 70% of births are to single women without a father present)

            Correct, no one is forcing the woman to have sex.
            But you want to force her to forfeit her right to choose to terminate her unwanted pregnancy based on her decision to have sex.

            A woman does not automatically forfeit her right to choice just because she has sex.

          • DtownMytown

            “But you want to force her to forfeit her right to choose to terminate her unwanted pregnancy based on her decision to have sex.”

            How about making the correct decision BEFORE having sex and getting pregnant. Isn’t that more responsible and adult? If you cannot afford a family than guess what? Don’t have unprotected sex! Most birth control is free up to $10.

          • Natureboi

            How about making the correct decision BEFORE having sex and getting pregnant.

            Why must a woman forfeit her rights just because she get pregnant?

          • DtownMytown

            Abortion is not a right, it is a choice. Just as having unprotected sex is a choice. Make the correct choice than abortion is not needed except in the most extreme cases as it should not be used as a form of birth control or genocide.

          • Natureboi

            Abortion is not a right, it is a choice.

            Why should a woman forfeit her right to choice simply by having sex?

          • Natureboi

            And to answer you gay marriage ? No as marriage is a religious ceremony, and should be decided by each faith to make the decision about marriage, not the courts.

            Is that the only reason to prohibit same-sex marriage?

          • DtownMytown

            Why isn’t that good enough? Religious freedom as guaranteed by the 1st amendment on our Constitution?

          • Natureboi

            Religious freedom as guaranteed by the 1st amendment on our Constitution?

            What does same-sex marriage have to do with religion?

            There is no rational reason to prohibit gay couples from marrying.

            Not one.

          • DtownMytown

            Obviously you are not religious as the one reason I can see is that marriage is between two people that love each other and wish to produce offspring. Or as the bible states, go forth and procreate. That is what MARRIAGE is for, for anyone else civil unions.

          • Natureboi

            Obviously you are not religious as the one reason I can see is that marriage is between two people that love each other and wish to produce offspring.

            That is not a rational reason because there is no procreation mandate in any state marriage law.

          • Barry

            (“Oh my God”)

            Good! So you do acknowledge God.

            No Doubt people’s world view is supported by their religion, the same as you’re atheist religion influences yours. And thank you for acknowledging that your religious beliefs are protected by the first amendment.

          • Natureboi

            Good! So you do acknowledge God.

            What a stupid presumption.

            Atheists don’t persecute others in the name of atheism like you so-called “Christians” do.

            That’s just disrespectful and mean.

          • Barry

            It is no presumption, sir. You are the one who said it. Thank you.

          • dwidaman

            True love provides no personal benefit or expectation that it will be returned. People oppose the killing of other humans, not out of a “personal benefit” but from an altruistic desire to save another human. It is the truest form of love to selflessly love another with no benefit.

          • Natureboi

            It is the truest form of love to selflessly love another with no benefit.

            That’s very interesting.
            Are you for or against same-sex marriage?
            Are you for or against the Affordable (health) Care Act?

          • pete39

            The real question here is why do you care when it seems so confusing to you.

          • Natureboi

            pete39 5 hours ago
            The real question here is why do you care when it seems so confusing to you.

            What makes you think I am confused?

          • Steve

            I is and WAS important to ME, because there was a baby that was aborted THAT I DESPERATELY WANTED, BUT NEVER TO PARENT! I don’t want that to happen to others, oh and by the way I was not the biological parent of that baby and I was not the same race of that baby! Black/Hispanic! Now Natureboi, will you for the love of God shut up?

          • Natureboi

            I is and WAS important to ME, because there was a baby that was aborted THAT I DESPERATELY WANTED, BUT NEVER TO PARENT! I

            If a parent “desperately wanted” a child, aborting the child would not make sense.

          • @na@disqus_wGfs35lbUU:disqus If an innocent, helpless, dependent, undeveloped life matters, then so does yours.

          • Natureboi

            If an innocent, helpless, dependent, undeveloped life matters, then so does yours.

            Perhaps you didn’t understand my question.

            Why are the babies of women that you will never meet so important to you?

          • Clearly you didn’t understand my answer.

            If an innocent, helpless, dependent, undeveloped life matters…then so does yours.

          • Natureboi

            If an innocent, helpless, dependent, undeveloped life matters…then so does yours.

            Are you for or against same-sex marriage?
            Are you for or against the Affordable Care Act?

          • Barry

            When you aren’t able to answer questions, why do you reply with non-sequiturs?

          • Natureboi

            Why are you for it?

            None of the people above I am responding to asked me a question.

          • Barry

            You still avoid their reply.

          • Natureboi

            ??

      • Guy Gadbouis

        Why is killing babies important to you?

        • Natureboi

          Why is the offspring of a total stranger so important to you?

          • Barry

            Why isn’t it important to you?

          • Natureboi

            Why isn’t it important to you?

            Because when religion interferes with the government on issues that are none of their damn business, democracy erodes.

          • Barry

            But, you are religious buy your own admission, and you interfere with government issues.

          • Natureboi

            ???

          • Barry

            Please let me rephrase. You claim that religions interfere in government issues. By your own admission you are also religious in your convictions by which you are protected by the First amendment. And yet, atheists and agnostics interfere in government issues, as well. This is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot, is it not?

      • Detfan1

        In my annual survey of 5,000 adult Americans over the course of 42 years, not one person, when asked, would’ve preferred to be aborted….

        In a separatesurvey of 2,500, over the course of 18 years, single adults that receive government assistance, not one person would’ve preferred to be aborted.

        • Natureboi

          What is the number of women who would prefer not to be forced to rear a child into adulthood?

          • Detfan1

            In my surveys, when asked,it is 7.244% The exact question asked is, only of women, is, “if you found yourself with an unplanned pregancy would you A. Have the baby and keep it. B. Have the baby and give it up for adoption. C. Have the baby aborted.”

            If the woman chooses C, a follow-up question is, ” Do you believe an unborn fetus is a baby, 71.44% say no. That is the universe we concentrate on with further scientific and Christian information. Ultimately, over 62% percent change their minds. Truth is power, and when presented accurately, it is easy to make decision in favor of the unborn baby.

          • Natureboi

            That is the universe we concentrate on with further scientific and Christian information.

            You left out the key question:

            ~~”Do you want to spend the next 18 years and all of your income raising a child you never planned to have.”~~

            I reject your “Christian” position for one simple reason.
            The Church does not care about life.
            It has demonstrated this throughout history, and God himself advocated murder of children and he himself murdered children, babies and pregnant woman making he himself guilty of committing abortion.

            In addition, there is no rational “Christian” reason to reject homosexuals, advocate for their murder and intentionally deprive/deny them the Constitutional rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
            This is the “Christian” response to homosexuals. It is the antithesis to “life.”

            The scientific definition of “life” is a fully developed cerebral cortex, sentience, consciousness and viability detachment from the mother’s body.
            A zygote or gamete is NOT a “life.”

          • Detfan1

            You have just proven that you are a miguided person. Your post has no merit and is complete nonsense. As such your post is not well taken. My dialogue with you is complete. I hope you find some meaning in your life, as you seem to be frustrated with life. The truth is Jesus is Love, and your false premise is immature and of little substance, and non factual.

          • Natureboi

            Your post has no merit and is complete nonsense.

            Then the Bible LIED.

          • Barry

            Mr. Natureboi! You still have not provided the Bible references to all your claims about God.
            Furthermore, you have not provided your source of authority on when Life begins. Please provide both.
            You seem to be parroting atheistic statements made by others. Has evolution turns you into a mimic?

          • Natureboi

            You still have not provided the Bible references to all your claims about God.

            Are you asserting these things are not true?

          • Barry

            Quit stalling, sir. What are the Bible references for your claims?

          • Natureboi

            Quit stalling, sir. What are the Bible references for your claims?

            I fully intend to provide them.
            But first I want to know if you think that they never occurred:

            That God didn’t murder children, babies and pregnant women.
            That God didn’t advocate for the murder of children.
            That God didn’t order pregnant women to be eviscerated.

            Did God do these things?
            Yes or no?

          • Barry

            You are stalling again. You made the claim, support it.

          • Natureboi

            >blockquote>You are stalling again. You made the claim, support it.

            Did God do these things?
            Yes or no?

          • Barry

            The burden is on the plaintiff, sir. If you make the claim, support it!!

          • Natureboi

            The burden is on the plaintiff, sir. If you make the claim, support it!!

            Correct.
            Do you believe God did these things?
            Yes or no?

          • Barry

            You don’t like playing by the rules, do you? You really don’t have a claim, do you?
            You said you were going to provide the references, but when?

          • Natureboi

            You said you were going to provide the references, but when?

            As soon as you answer my question.

          • Barry

            What is the number of women who are forced to conceive?

          • Natureboi

            What is the number of women who are forced to conceive?

            Zero, and it should remain that.

          • Barry

            Fine. Then you agree that it is a choice to conceive.

          • Natureboi

            Yes

          • Barry

            That’s great! Now can we agree that when she chooses to conceive, the woman is thinking about conceiving a child, and not a tumor?

          • Natureboi

            That’s great! Now can we agree that when she chooses to conceive, the woman is thinking about conceiving a child, and not a tumor?

            Correct.
            However:

            Choosing to have sex is not choosing to conceive.
            The two are different.
            They are different for both the male and the female who choose to have sex.

            Choosing to have sex does not automatically mean that one forfeits the right of choice as to whether or not to raise a child for the next 18 years of the male and female’s lives.

            Choosing to have sex does not equate to choosing to be parents.

          • Barry

            Nevertheless, you concurred that conception is a choice.

          • Natureboi

            Nevertheless, you concurred that conception is a choice.

            Correct!

            And so is having sex.
            But not every single sex act is a decisive choice to raise a child for the next 18 years of both sex partner’s lives.

          • Barry

            But, conception is a choice. You said so.

          • Natureboi

            But, conception is a choice. You said so.

            Not always.
            Conception is far too often an unintended by-product of casual sex.
            Wanting to have sex does not equate to wanting to have a child.

          • Barry

            Now, you are backing away from what you said. Are you always this unsure of yourself?

          • Natureboi

            Now, you are backing away from what you said. Are you always this unsure of yourself?

            What did I back away from?

          • Barry

            That conception is a choice.

            (I’m having tons of fun, but after your next reply I’ll have to call it in an evening. Being an old guy and of no benefit to anyone, I need my beauty rest. Or would you just prefer to abort me?)

          • Natureboi

            That conception is a choice.

            Conception IS a choice. I AGREE.

            So is having sex.

            But wanting to have sex does not equate to wanting to have a child.

          • Barry

            We appear to be in violent agreement.
            Sexual activity is a choice and conception is a choice.

          • Natureboi

            We appear to be in violent agreement.
            Sexual activity is a choice and conception is a choice.

            Correct.
            But the two are different choices.

          • Barry

            What makes you think I disagree with that?

          • Natureboi

            What makes you think I disagree with that?

            Because you seem to believe that if a woman chooses to have sex, she then has chosen to be a mother.

            Or worse:

            You seem to think that if a woman chooses to have sex, she then forfeits her right to choose not to be a parent.

            It is arrogant and unreasonable to presume that you can have that kind of power and control over all women against their free will.

          • Barry

            Neither of your statements are true, sir.
            You aren’t very good at this, are you?

          • Natureboi

            B) Polio vaccine effectiveness (testable)

            Are you saying the just because a woman chooses to have sex, she does not forfeit her right to terminate her unwanted pregnancy?

            Or are you saying if she conceives, she then looses her right to terminate the unwanted pregnancy?

            Please clarify.

      • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

        Simple answer – it’s murder. ‘Nuff said.

        • Natureboi

          Simple answer – it’s murder. ‘Nuff said.

          What are you doing about the daily shootings in Chicago?
          What are you doing about the 20,000 children that die every day?
          What are you doing for cancer research?
          Do you support Obama care?

          If you are against affordable health care, and are doing nothing about the daily deaths of humans, you are not “pro-life,” you are pro-birth.

          • BikerHoop ✓Fᵉᵈᵉʳᵃˡᶦˢᵗ

            What am I doing about the shootings in Chicago? Pushing to get Illinois politicans to make getting a concealed carry permit easier to get. What 20,000 children? Another of your made up stats? Cancer research? Since 1996, when my wife died of breast cancer I have been donating to research. You? Do I support Obamacare? Absolutely NOT! I have to pay for my own healthcare, I shouldn’t be expected to pay for someone else’s. I support affordable healthcare, therefore I am totally and completely against socialized medicine.

          • Natureboi

            What 20,000 children?

            https://www.unicef.org/mdg/childmortality.html

            http://penniesforposho.org/

            http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-world

            Do I support Obamacare? Absolutely NOT! I have to pay for my own healthcare, I shouldn’t be expected to pay for someone else’s.

            You are not pro-life.
            You are only pro-birth.

            Your “caring” ends abruptly at birth.

  • guest

    Life ,Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.Without Life you’ll never have the other two.

  • JEX

    This is great! THANKS!!

  • John Steel

    Take Academy off the list, it’s owned by KKR

  • norm

    Why are you all bothering with a troll?

    • Barry

      That’s a fair question, Norm.
      I personally hope to chart the kind of responses I get back from atheists (including the questions they avoid) that I might Incorporate atheist fallacies and paradigms and their avoidance of the rules of logic and reason into my Bible lessons. Such a person as Natureboi cannot be won to Christ via digital communications. It must be done by a face-to-face interview, one-on-one, and without any audience.

      • Natureboi

        It must be done by a face-to-face interview, one-on-one, and without any audience.

        You would have to convince me that a God exists in the first place before “winning” me to Crist.

    • Natureboi
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